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Water leaks

Yahoo Message Number: 8044
Ever since we have had this vehicle we have had water leaks. First one was under the kitchen sink, so was easy to fix. Then a leak in the bathroom somewhere. water was leaking out from under the wall between the shower and the pantry. "Repaired" by our dealer in Ontario. Leak persisted, so back into the shop and "repaired" again. Then a leak whenever the black tank was flushed. "Repaired" again (new valve fitted to the flush system). We are now in Southern California and there is still a leak! Why didn't Jayco install an access into the area where all the pipes are. It is a terrible job getting to that area. We have removed the bottom of the pantry to try and gain access to the pipes behind the shower, but cannot see where the leak is coming from. DH can feel water dripping down, but cannot determine where it is coming from. Is it a difficult job to remove and replace the shower?

PS. while we were looking in the the area under the pantry, we saw a heating hose not attached to the duct, huge holes under there open to the outside (sun shining through). What shoddy workmanship! Very disappointed. No wonder we are always very dusty inside.

Re: Water leaks

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Yahoo Message Number: 8046
On my MH it would not be a problem pulling the vinyl walls down. I may then have install new panels. Do the Seneca's have fiberglass wall? May not be as easy to replace. I also have a access panel that covers the shower hot/cold controls. This allows me to tighten the fittings in this area. Do you have a hidden panel that covers the controls?
Best
Ron Hall

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Yahoo Message Number: 8047
Check the ice maker connections as well. Also you should be able to remove the shower faucet from inside the shower (four screws) to check the connections on back of the valves. Or does you your unit have the access panel in the pantry itself?

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Yahoo Message Number: 8048
Which walls are you talking about? We are fiberglass on the outside. Certainly no hidden panels, or if there are, they are very well hidden!! Dealership had pulled an interior wall out to check behind it.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8049
i think it would always be a good idea to post your make and model in this type of post so we know whats where.

think it through in reverse.

shower was installed first,

fixtures next,

then the supply lines were hooked up.

don

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Yahoo Message Number: 8050
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Ever since we have had this vehicle we have had water leaks. First one was under the kitchen sink, so was easy to fix. Then a leak in the bathroom somewhere. water was leaking out from under the wall between the shower and the pantry. "Repaired" by our dealer in Ontario. Leak persisted, so back into the shop and "repaired" again. Then a leak whenever the black tank was flushed. "Repaired" again (new valve fitted to the flush system). We are now in Southern California and there is still a leak! Why didn't Jayco install an access into the area where all the pipes are. It is a terrible job getting to that area. We have removed the bottom of the pantry to try and gain access to the pipes behind the shower, but cannot see where the leak is coming from. DH can feel water dripping down, but cannot determine where it is coming from. Is it a difficult job to remove and replace the shower?

PS. while we were looking in the the area under the pantry, we saw a heating hose not attached to the duct, huge holes under there open to the outside (sun shining through). What shoddy workmanship! Very disappointed. No wonder we are always very dusty inside.

In the pantry there is an access panel to the shower valves. Pull out the drawers and you should see an accesses panel. May shower valve connections were a bit loose and this caused the leak from behind the shower. i could also see the water dripping down and once the connections were tightened there was no more drips or leaks.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8052
Opened the access panel and the pipes/valves behind the shower faucets are dry.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8053
Are you using a pressure regulator at the outside spigot?
Best
Ron Hall

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Yahoo Message Number: 8054
Yes, we are using a regulator and the water is down to a trickle coming in.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8055
Have you looked at the ice maker connections in the outside compartment for the fridge. I had a leak there.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8056
Yes. That all seems fine. Thinking it may be the drain from the shower. Going to try and access that and reseal and tighten if we can.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8057
Dee, out of curiousity, who is your dealer in Ontario? Or, did I ask that a before and it is Owasca in Whitby?

We had a similar problem with a bit of water near the fridge of our 32SS and we thought it was from the shower that was on the other side of the wall. We used Jayco's service centre and never went near our dealer (Sicard) who we'd also purchased our previous two DPs from since once we moved to the WIndsor area and Sicard was the same distance to travel as to Jayco. Jayco looked but couldn't find any source for the water. On a later visit we had Jayco seal the shower stall at the top and it may well be some of the water had came through that opening. Never occurred again - at least that we noticed.

As to what you can't see, Jayco sure needs improvement in quality construction. We had loads of openings under the closet (for water and power lines) but Tammy Baker (service rep at Jayco at the time, said they don't seal them - I had a terrible problem as I think of her as Tammy Faye Baker). That was really annoying because the generator is right there and fumes could easily get through those opening. By our next visit Tammy Baker had been fired and the service manager Randy Zonker had the holes plugged and several other items fixed that she ignored. We really enjoyed dealing with Randy as he got things done and quickly (what they'd do in a half day our Sicard would need days and we'd have to leave the MH with them - our Winnie DP was at Sicard for 2 months on one occasion and our HR DP 3 months). When our fridge door fell off on a Saturday afternoon at the rally in 2010 Dave Sparke used gorilla tape for temporary fix and Randy had a replacement door installed Monday afternoon (Monday morning McCormick Chev in Nappanee did the annual maintenance).

What amazed us with our current Itasca Impulse is that we went through the first year with no need to have anything repaired. Given our experience with our three previous new MHs that was a pleasure. So far so good. We just bought a 40 ft Forest River trailer for the lot next to our park model in FLA and my hope is that Forest River has a clue - but I've seen a few signs that make me wonder.

Don

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Yahoo Message Number: 8058
We had a leak from the shower enclosure that was dripping out underneath the unit. You may want to check all the seams/joints around the enclosure. When I first had ours I also thought it was the drain but it turned out to be the enclosure needed to be resealed using bath/kitchen silicone (I used clear). The water runs down one of the holes in the floor where the wiring comes up.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8059
I had a Watts but it was not the right one. I'd just asked Ron for the details on the one he recommended at the rally. Our participants cleaned out Menard's before we got there. Ron posted my email from 2010 to the files section today. You will find all the components there that will give you good volume without too much pressure.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/KodiakChassisClassC/files/General Info/

I can't find the components here in FLA at either Lowes or Home Depot so I've sent a note to Watts FLA rep asking how I can get them.

Don

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Yahoo Message Number: 8060
Owasco. The last time we took it the technician tore the vanity out to find the leak, then he forgot to tighten the drain, replaced the bottom of the pantry backwards so that the shelf had a gap in the front, and he drove the RV into the curb, tearing off the front tire pressure monitor. He was in such a hurry to go home, that as we were still getting the front tire valve stem fixed and inflated, he zoomed past us with a cheery wave!

We are definitely going to the Jayco factory on our way home in April.

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Yahoo Message Number: 8063
Our solution to this problem for now is to tilt the RV slightly to the driver's side so that the water will flow away from the pantry and divider wall area. This just until we hear back from Jayco (I emailed them) or we can find where it is coming from or we can get to Jayco in April.

Re: Water leaks - Followup from Jayco

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Yahoo Message Number: 8067
There is an access to the plumbing under the shower. The access is located in the driver side wheel well area. You'll need to jack up the rear and remove the rear duals. From there, the wheel well cover can be removed. Then you can access the shower plumbing from there.

So anyone wanna come to Escondido RV Resort (or Palm Springs Oasis Resort for the next week) with a hunking big jack and some tools and help us? Haha

Re: Water leaks - Followup from Jayco

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Yahoo Message Number: 8068
On my 2007 Seneca 34SS, I could access this area without removing the duals. The fender skirts folded up just like the cargo doors. I had to remove about four 7/16th inch machine screws and nuts and the fender released and folded up. I had to hold them in place with a short stick.

Re: Water leaks - Followup from Jayco

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Yahoo Message Number: 8072
DH has lifted the fender skirt and found a metal box/cover as well as the wheel well cover. Is it a big deal to get these off? Lots of screws visible.

Re: Water leaks - Followup from Jayco

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Yahoo Message Number: 8073
All of the screws on my 34SS were phillips head sheet metal/self tapping(?) screws. The phillips heads had quite a bit of road dirt in them. After I cleaned the road dirt out of the screw heads with a pointed tool they came out rather easily with an electric screw driver/drill. I suspect it will depend on how corroded your screws are. Also, only one or two of mine went into the steel floor frame. There were five on the (horizontal) top near the exterior wall of the MH. I think they go into wood. They came out easily. There were about five on the vertical section on inside wall of the wheel well, parallel with the tires. They went into an aluminium angle iron and also came out easily. Most of the screws were in the front and rear of the wheel well. I think that most only held on the mud flaps. It seems like only one or two went into the MH frame. Which was of course directly related to the fact that on mine, the sheet metal pan did not fit in the frame which left the large hole where the fumes came in on the passenger's side. When I removed all these screws holding the mud flaps there wasn't much holding the pans in place. When I dropped the pan on the driver's side, I could see the ABS drain pipe and P trap from the shower and some heat ducting. I didn't look at it closely but the drain pipe appeared convoluted but eventually went into the gray water tank.

I hope this helps. Let me how it goes.

Re: Water leaks - Followup from Jayco

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Yahoo Message Number: 8075
We will certainly let you know how it goes. Presently we are up in the Palm Springs area, but going back to Escondido RV resort on Thursday. DH says he will do it there as we are quite close to several RV repair shops and Camping World if we have a problem. The Seneca is booked into CW on the 15th if he is unable to do the fix.

Re: Water leaks - Followup

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Yahoo Message Number: 8084
DH got the fender off and the covers around the wheel well, under the shower. He was only able to see the trap from the shower which was dripping with water. The joint where the trap meets another pipe was loose, so he tightened all that up and dried everything. He then took a shower and guess what! There is still a leak! It seems the only way to get to the pipes serving the shower, is to rip the wall or the shower out. How idiotic that Jayco did not put an access panel other than the little one inside the pantry. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Re: Water leaks - Followup

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Yahoo Message Number: 8085
If it was coming from the water pipes to the shower it would be leaking all the time when the water was on since valves are at the end of the pipe. Have you re-caulked the shower enclosure?

Re: Water leaks - Followup

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Yahoo Message Number: 8086
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DH got the fender off and the covers around the wheel well, under the shower. He was only able to see the trap from the shower which was dripping with water. The joint where the trap meets another pipe was loose, so he tightened all that up and dried everything. He then took a shower and guess what! There is still a leak! It seems the only way to get to the pipes serving the shower, is to rip the wall or the shower out. How idiotic that Jayco did not put an access panel other than the little one inside the pantry. Anyone have any other suggestions?

I remember someone mentioning that their shower leak was coming from the top of shower panels where it had pulled away from wall. If it is not to wide. Caulk it like Dave suggested.
Best
Ron Hall

Re: Water leaks - Followup

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Yahoo Message Number: 8087
Sorry your having issues, however our Gulfstream has no access @ all for the drain pipes (unless maybe you removed the holding tank), our leak was from the hoses connected to the shower valve and the plastic "T" in the valve was also cracked causing water to run down the wall behind the shower to the floor. I had to remove all three glass pieces and the shower walls to get enough room to re-tighten the hose fittings and replace the valve). Our shower pan also leaked at the drain as there was a tweeked gasket that came out of the seat from the factory. I shoved in a tappered plastic pipe from a shop vac extension tube pre-cut to lenght and jambed it in with polyurethane caulking, then caulked all arround and caulked in the grate. Seems to be working now but I will never buy another Gulfstream again aside from this issue other issues appeared that Mickey Mouse is head of Quality controll and design.

Bob Schlieder