Grayhawk 32SS owners January 03, 2008, 12:48:48 am Yahoo Message Number: 365A couple of things we've experienced lately.Just prior to departing Fla and heading north for Xmas, DW called me to have a look atsomething in the 32SS.She had been packing some cases with the contents of the drawers under the TV in thebedroom. She opened the top drawer and asked me to look behind the drawer. Oh boy, Looking down there was a circular hole 2 inches or more in diameter and lots of daylightcoming through. The hole was for a water line and a power line. I didn't have any sealantso I've plugged up the hole with the spongy pool noodle material. Very sloppyworkmanship when they leave holes like this wide open.Monday, when back in FLA, we noticed the wheel cover cap lying on the ground. It hadfallen off the rear curb side dually. When I looked at it my first reaction was thatsomeone had tried to steal the wheel (hard to imagine - well impossible to imagine that inour park with all the people around). The hub cover that is bolted on had partiallycollapsed. Several neighbors looked at it and felt that it was metal fatigue. I send somephotos to my son who is in the auto mfg biz, and he said I should take a close look asthese covers could well be plastic. Frankly, they feel like metal to me but when I tap themI'm not sure if they are aluminum (Alcoa wheels) or plastic. The cover that fell off says"Made in China."In any event I figure this has to be covered by warranty - but by GM or Jayco?Anyone know if they are metal or plastic?Our trip back didn't get off to a good start. We sailed over the Ambassador Bridge justafter 6 AM with hardly any traffic at all. When we started down the US side we ran into aline of traffic a 1/4 way up and it took 1 hour and 10 minutes to get through. I'd swearthey had the 3 open booths manned by Larry, Curly and Moe. Slowest I've ever seen. Thepayoff was that XM Radio Detroit Traffic and Weather reported again and again while wesat in line that there were no holdups and that the tunnel had a 10 minute delay. Now Ihave no faith in XM. Pity.Just before departing our Chev dealer had to reprogram the engine management system ofthe Tahoe. One of the reasons was to allow it to operated on E85 fuel. We have yet to usesuch fuel but the result of the reprograming seems pretty good - an increase of about 2MPG - we got a sliver under 20 MPG on the trip and that was after a first day 15 mpgpushing a strong headwind from home to Windsor.Well, it is going down to freezing here tonight. I was going to drain all the lines in the32SS but now they say down to 31 for one hour only - around 6 AM. With the windWeather.com says it will feel like 20 deg. Only consolation is that it is much colder backhome and even though it will be 50 deg at home next Tuesday - it is forecast to be 82here next Tuesday - keeping the 30+ degree difference. Don Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #1 – January 03, 2008, 12:49:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 366Leslie, Don wrote:QuoteA couple of things we've experienced lately.Just prior to departing Fla and heading north for Xmas, DW called meto have a look atsomething in the 32SS.She had been packing some cases with the contents of the drawers underthe TV in thebedroom. She opened the top drawer and asked me to look behind thedrawer. Oh boy, Looking down there was a circular hole 2 inches or more in diameterand lots of daylightcoming through. The hole was for a water line and a power line. Ididn't have any sealantso I've plugged up the hole with the spongy pool noodle material. Verysloppyworkmanship when they leave holes like this wide open.Monday, when back in FLA, we noticed the wheel cover cap lying on theground. It hadfallen off the rear curb side dually. When I looked at it my firstreaction was thatsomeone had tried to steal the wheel (hard to imagine - wellimpossible to imagine that inour park with all the people around). The hub cover that is bolted onhad partiallycollapsed. Several neighbors looked at it and felt that it was metalfatigue. I send somephotos to my son who is in the auto mfg biz, and he said I should takea close look asthese covers could well be plastic. Frankly, they feel like metal tome but when I tap themI'm not sure if they are aluminum (Alcoa wheels) or plastic. The coverthat fell off says"Made in China."In any event I figure this has to be covered by warranty - but by GMor Jayco?Anyone know if they are metal or plastic?Our trip back didn't get off to a good start. We sailed over theAmbassador Bridge justafter 6 AM with hardly any traffic at all. When we started down the USside we ran into aline of traffic a 1/4 way up and it took 1 hour and 10 minutes to getthrough. I'd swearthey had the 3 open booths manned by Larry, Curly and Moe. SlowestI've ever seen. Thepayoff was that XM Radio Detroit Traffic and Weather reported againand again while wesat in line that there were no holdups and that the tunnel had a 10minute delay. Now Ihave no faith in XM. Pity.Just before departing our Chev dealer had to reprogram the enginemanagement system ofthe Tahoe. One of the reasons was to allow it to operated on E85 fuel.We have yet to usesuch fuel but the result of the reprograming seems pretty good - anincrease of about 2MPG - we got a sliver under 20 MPG on the trip and that was after afirst day 15 mpgpushing a strong headwind from home to Windsor.Well, it is going down to freezing here tonight. I was going to drainall the lines in the32SS but now they say down to 31 for one hour only - around 6 AM. Withthe windWeather.com says it will feel like 20 deg. Only consolation is that itis much colder backhome and even though it will be 50 deg at home next Tuesday - it isforecast to be 82here next Tuesday - keeping the 30+ degree difference. DonNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AMDon, I've been told they are plastic. Ii too have heard of them coming offbut it was the front one. Here is Alcoa's website, perhaps they canhelp. http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/index.aspPaul Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #2 – January 03, 2008, 01:06:28 pm Yahoo Message Number: 367Thanks for the link Paul. I went out and looked in daylight and they are plastic.I don't see my particular model of cap here though. The wheel is the Classic.http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/fsw/driver/camo/c_home.aspI wonder if I'll have Jayco pointing to GM and GM pointing at Jayco? See photo attached.DonOn 3-Jan-08, at 12:47 PM, Paul Kemper wrote: Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #3 – January 03, 2008, 01:17:04 pm Yahoo Message Number: 368Don Leslie wrote:QuoteThanks for the link Paul. I went out and looked in daylight and theyare plastic.I don't see my particular model of cap here though. The wheel is theClassic.http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/fsw/driver/camo/c_home.aspI wonder if I'll have Jayco pointing to GM and GM pointing at Jayco? See photo attached.DonOn 3-Jan-08, at 12:47 PM, Paul Kemper wrote:Don, I've been told they are plastic. Ii too have heard of them coming offbut it was the front one. Here is Alcoa's website, perhaps they canhelp. http://www.alcoa com/alcoawheels/ north_america/ en/index. asphttp://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/index.asp>PaulNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AMFrom your photo it looks like it is just a snap-on attachment. It isthe same wheel I have. Let us know what Alcoa says and if there is abetter way to attach these covers.Paul Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #4 – January 03, 2008, 05:43:06 pm Yahoo Message Number: 369QuoteQuoteleftWe are planning to take the Greyhawk to Jayco on the way home from FLA in April since we are not prepared to tolerate our dealer keeping for one to two months. So, we won't know the outcome until then. A fellow in the park who had a Dodge for 5er towing said he had one of these crack and it cost him $70 for the plastic piece. I guess since this is part of the Kodiak Jayco could say see GM. Of course, as Denny just pointed out on RV.net, GM provides no power train warranty when the frame has been extended. I think one day that issue is really going to come home to roost.DonQuoteleft Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #5 – January 07, 2008, 04:05:30 pm Yahoo Message Number: 374Attachments :Hi folksOnce again Don has found something on his unit that is replicated onmine, the hole in the floor under the bedroom drawers. I also saw a lotof daylight in the hole where the wires come up thru for the inverter.Perhaps the worst part of that omission on Jayco's part is that it is inthe generator compartment so any fumes there can come into the coach.I've never noticed any in the few times I've used the gen set, but it'ssomething to think about. Anyway I've filled them all with expandablefoam. Not pretty, but sealed. I also held the water lines and wire inthe center of the hole while I sprayed the foam so they are encased andaway from the edges of the whole.The water lines that come up thru there are from the black water spraylines and they have a vent at the top junction. The connectors weren'tscrewed on tight at all, but then there isn't really any pressure onthem. I tightened them up like I've had to do with all the lines in thecoach. I will make a bracket and pad to keep them from bouncing againstthe wall as they do right now.Take care, Greg--Take care, Greg Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #6 – January 07, 2008, 07:48:05 pm Yahoo Message Number: 376Greg Gimlick wrote:QuoteHi folksOnce again Don has found something on his unit that is replicated onmine, the hole in the floor under the bedroom drawers. I also saw a lotof daylight in the hole where the wires come up thru for the inverter.Perhaps the worst part of that omission on Jayco's part is that it is inthe generator compartment so any fumes there can come into the coach.I've never noticed any in the few times I've used the gen set, but it'ssomething to think about. Anyway I've filled them all with expandablefoam. Not pretty, but sealed. I also held the water lines and wire inthe center of the hole while I sprayed the foam so they are encased andaway from the edges of the whole.The water lines that come up thru there are from the black water spraylines and they have a vent at the top junction. The connectors weren'tscrewed on tight at all, but then there isn't really any pressure onthem. I tightened them up like I've had to do with all the lines in thecoach. I will make a bracket and pad to keep them from bouncing againstthe wall as they do right now.Take care, Greg--Take care, GregNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AMI had read of dust filtering inside the bedroom of Senecas due to asimilar (but different) hole through the floor and drifting out throughthe grill under the closet. On our first outing I saw the dustaccumulating in the bedroom and found the semi-sealed hole with wiresthrough it going down into the generator compartment. Fixed it with acan of expanding foam.Paul Quote Selected
Re: Grayhawk 32SS owners Reply #7 – January 07, 2008, 10:10:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 377We had same problem there and I got the foam that expands only a little and tried to fill but it is difficult getting around the wires. The black goop they use would be better - and it would have been nice if they could have done it right the first time. BTW - it is DW that finds many of these things.We are hoping to go the factory (I'd better make my reservation soon) and will let them fix the back cap.DonOn 7-Jan-08, at 4:05 PM, Greg Gimlick wrote: Quote Selected