Yahoo Message Number: 10086 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10086)
My friend John Meredith has a '07 35GS with a tail draging rear suspension. Option Code is GW2, 15,000lb. suspension. What does the group feel would be the best upgrade to level out the MH.
1. Rebuild and add leafs to existing rear springs.
2. Install a Super Suspension kit or Hellwigs.
3. Install air bags.
Looking forward to your responses...........
Yahoo Message Number: 10087 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10087)
I put super springs on and it help raise the back. Helwigs are good for loads. Rebuilding is also good. Several have added airbags which work but seem to have some problems with different issues
Keith
Yahoo Message Number: 10088 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10088)
Air bags
Yahoo Message Number: 10090 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10090)
I installed air bags. My MH came with 13,500 springs. Should of had 15,000 springs. Like the ability to adjust level with a simple button on the dash. Cheapest may be to just add another leaf to the spring pack. Next is air bags. Super Springs would be next. I was able to install air bags myself. Not sure the other options could be done by a person without special tools. All require that wheels be removed.
Best
Ron Hall
Yahoo Message Number: 10091 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10091)
I installed Hellwigs, I did myself.
One day will change shocks (not myself).
Mo
Yahoo Message Number: 10154 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10154)
I installed the following on my 07 Seneca 35GS:
- Super Springs
- Rear Track Bar
- Koni FSD Shocks, all the way around
- Safe T Steer
The SuperSprings rose the chassis about 1.75" at the rear wheel well and 4" at the hitch. It now is level and reduced sway. I've found that my storage water tanks hold more, considering they are now level too. If you go this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.
Yahoo Message Number: 10155 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10155)
Air bags and a rear track bar would be my advice.
From: "ripples55391"
Sender: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:29:29 -0000
To:
ReplyTo: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
I installed the following on my 07 Seneca 35GS:
- Super Springs
- Rear Track Bar
- Koni FSD Shocks, all the way around
- Safe T Steer
The SuperSprings rose the chassis about 1.75" at the rear wheel well and 4" at the hitch. It now is level and reduced sway. I've found that my storage water tanks hold more, considering they are now level too. If you go this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.
Yahoo Message Number: 10156 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10156)
Air bags and a rear track bar would be my advice.
From: "ripples55391"
Sender: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:29:29 -0000
To:
ReplyTo: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
I installed the following on my 07 Seneca 35GS:
- Super Springs
- Rear Track Bar
- Koni FSD Shocks, all the way around
- Safe T Steer
The SuperSprings rose the chassis about 1.75" at the rear wheel well and 4" at the hitch. It now is level and reduced sway. I've found that my storage water tanks hold more, considering they are now level too. If you go this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.
Yahoo Message Number: 10157 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10157)
I made the decision to go with air bags because they are adjustable. No more sag at any load.
Charles
Yahoo Message Number: 10159 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10159)
Will probably go the way you went. Where did you get the work done and if you do not mind the breakdown of the cost of the upgade. Thanks in advance
As always travel safe and enjoy
From: ripples55391
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:29:29 PM
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
I installed the following on my 07 Seneca 35GS:
- Super Springs
- Rear Track Bar
- Koni FSD Shocks, all the way around
- Safe T Steer
The SuperSprings rose the chassis about 1.75" at the rear wheel well and 4" at the hitch. It now is level and reduced sway. I've found that my storage water tanks hold more, considering they are now level too. If you go this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.
Yahoo Message Number: 10160 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10160)
Did all the same upgrades with same results. Had 3 places try and put springs on. CW could not and mechanic broke wrist trying. Spring could not and I called super spring and they gave me shop that could. Trac bar and shocks are easy to do yourself.
Yahoo Message Number: 10161 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10161)
I also would like to know the cost and if i could get the part#s of the parts you used.
gary benson (https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmesg%2Ftsmileys2%2F17.gif&t=1571489632&sig=kelJ_UWmMEl0PkMq3c5XgQ--~E)From: John Meredith
To: "KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
Will probably go the way you went. Where did you get the work done and if you do not mind the breakdown of the cost of the upgade. Thanks in advance
As always travel safe and enjoy
From: ripples55391
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:29:29 PM
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
I installed the following on my 07 Seneca 35GS: - Super Springs - Rear Track Bar - Koni FSD Shocks, all the way around - Safe T Steer The SuperSprings rose the chassis about 1.75" at the rear wheel well and 4" at the hitch. It now is level and reduced sway. I've found that my storage water tanks hold more, considering they are now level too. If you go this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.
Yahoo Message Number: 10162 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10162)
I found a set of SuperSprings on Amazon for about $150 less than what they sell them for elseware. I ordered the compression jack right from SuperSprings directly -- and they also shipped me some larger mounting brackets.
All other items were ordered from Henderson's Lineup. If you order all at once, ask what they can give for a discount -- perhaps free shipping or something better.
The only thing I paid to have installed was the shocks. I think it was $125/axle.
Yahoo Message Number: 10163 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10163)
Here is basically my part list, taken right from Henderson's Lineups site:
NOTE: On the Safe-T-Plus, be sure to ask for the "New style" U-Bolt mounting bracket. I could not get the original flat bracket to install.
The link below has the prices for each part. All in all, I think I'm around $2,000 in upgrades. I feel that each addition has been well worth it.
If you had to choose ONE thing to do, I would definitely recommend the rear track bar.
I was thinking about adding air bags, but from some comments I read was that you just get completely beat up in the rear from the stiffness.
Anyways......
http://www.hendersonslineup.com/products/motorhome-and-truck-fit-list.html (http://www.hendersonslineup.com/products/motorhome-and-truck-fit-list.html)
Kodiak (Jayco Seneca) C4500/5500
Sway:
Rear Sway Bar: 1109-157
Front Sway Bar: 1109-158
Rear Super Springs: C4500-SSA22, C5500-SSA17
(Shocks and Trac Bars help also)
Wander:
Safe-T-Plus Steering Stabilzer: 41-180
Bracket Kit: (1 ¾ tie rod) G-002k3 * may need new longer U-bolt*
Bracket Kit: (1-3/4 tie rod 04' model) S124K3
SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: SS500
SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: (26,000 GVW) SS519
SuperSteer Front Trac Bar: TRAC-C4500/5500
Tailwag-Oversteer:
SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: SS500
SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: (26,000 GVW) SS519
SuperSteer Front Trac Bar: TRAC-C4500/5500
Safe-T-Plus Steering Stabilizer: 41-180
Bounce- Porpoising:
Koni Shocks Front: 8805-1023
Koni Shocks Rear: 8805-1022SP1 (Loop on each end)
Koni Shocks Rear: 8805-1002 (Stem on each end)
Koni Shocks Rear: 90-2530 (Stem on each end, 19k springs)
Yahoo Message Number: 10164 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10164)
By far the most challenging installation was the SuperSprings. I did it with the wheels on and had to use some shims on the hydraulic compression tool to get it to go....after several iterations, it did. It was kind of like putting a baby crib together -- the 1st one takes 6 hours, the next one takes 20 minutes. :)
Yahoo Message Number: 10165 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10165)
Thanks Thats a big help. Look forward to getting it done the first sign of SPRING.
gary benson (https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmesg%2Ftsmileys2%2F17.gif&t=1571489633&sig=8MLTz17AIYmzoN1vfjaC7Q--~E)From: ripples55391
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
Here is basically my part list, taken right from Henderson's Lineups site:
NOTE: On the Safe-T-Plus, be sure to ask for the "New style" U-Bolt mounting bracket. I could not get the original flat bracket to install.
The link below has the prices for each part. All in all, I think I'm around $2,000 in upgrades. I feel that each addition has been well worth it.
If you had to choose ONE thing to do, I would definitely recommend the rear track bar.
I was thinking about adding air bags, but from some comments I read was that you just get completely beat up in the rear from the stiffness.
Anyways......
http://www.hendersonslineup.com/products/motorhome-and-truck-fit-list.html
Kodiak (Jayco Seneca) C4500/5500
Sway:
• Rear Sway Bar: 1109-157
• Front Sway Bar: 1109-158
• Rear Super Springs: C4500-SSA22, C5500-SSA17
(Shocks and Trac Bars help also)
Wander:
• Safe-T-Plus Steering Stabilzer: 41-180
• Bracket Kit: (1 ¾ tie rod) G-002k3 * may need new longer U-bolt*
• Bracket Kit: (1-3/4 tie rod 04' model) S124K3
• SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: SS500
• SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: (26,000 GVW) SS519
• SuperSteer Front Trac Bar: TRAC-C4500/5500
Tailwag-Oversteer:
• SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: SS500
• SuperSteer Rear Trac Bar: (26,000 GVW) SS519
• SuperSteer Front Trac Bar: TRAC-C4500/5500
• Safe-T-Plus Steering Stabilizer: 41-180
Bounce- Porpoising:
• Koni Shocks Front: 8805-1023
• Koni Shocks Rear: 8805-1022SP1 (Loop on each end)
• Koni Shocks Rear: 8805-1002 (Stem on each end)
• Koni Shocks Rear: 90-2530 (Stem on each end, 19k springs)
--- In , gary benson wrote:
the breakdown of the cost of the upgade. Thanks in advance
this route, you will also need to order the spring compression jack, if you plan on the install yourself. The track bar removed almost all side to side movement. Can't really tell when a truck passes other than when I see it passing me. The Koni shocks really helped with proposing, sway and the overall ride. My coach now drives like a large SUV. I installed everything myself with the exception of the shocks.--- In mailto:KodiakChassisClassC%40yahoogroups.com, "RussH" wrote:>> My friend John Meredith has a '07 35GS with a tail draging rear suspension. Option Code is GW2, 15,000lb. suspension.
Yahoo Message Number: 10166 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10166)
Do you have any pictures of the install tool? And also how much do they charge for it?
From: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ripples55391
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:44 PM
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
By far the most challenging installation was the SuperSprings. I did it with the wheels on and had to use some shims on the hydraulic compression tool to get it to go....after several iterations, it did. It was kind of like putting a baby crib together -- the 1st one takes 6 hours, the next one takes 20 minutes. :)
Yahoo Message Number: 10167 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10167)
I have a nother question What are the SUPER SPRINGS do the replace a spring leaf or what.
gary benson (https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmesg%2Ftsmileys2%2F17.gif&t=1571489633&sig=8MLTz17AIYmzoN1vfjaC7Q--~E)
From: Ronnie Hartzog
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
Do you have any pictures of the install tool? And also how much do they charge for it?
From: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ripples55391
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:44 PM
To: KodiakChassisClassC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [KodiakChassisClassC] Re: 2007 Jayco Seneca 35GS..Rear Suspension Upgrade
By far the most challenging installation was the SuperSprings. I did it with the wheels on and had to use some shims on the hydraulic compression tool to get it to go....after several iterations, it did. It was kind of like putting a baby crib together -- the 1st one takes 6 hours, the next one takes 20 minutes. :)
Yahoo Message Number: 10168 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/supercrvgroup/conversations/messages/10168)
Here is a photo of the hydraulic tool....
http://www.supersprings.com/productimages/images/install_tool_web.jpg (http://www.supersprings.com/productimages/images/install_tool_web.jpg)
I can't remember exactly the price. You can email them, they are very friendly to deal with....