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Holy Smokes JD... and we thought WE had problems. It's a damn shame how
you are being treated for simply requesting fixes to stuff they (Jayco
& dealer) screwed up in the first place. It's all scary stuff but the
de-lam, Wow... that's a real kicker! With the amount of out-of-service
time you've had already and the likelihood of more on the way, it may
be time to start researching your state's lemon law requirements before
the warranty period is over. Best of luck to you as you slug your way
through all this. There are a fair number of Jayco/Kodiak owners (and
growing) on this board and we all will be anxious to see how your
situation plays out. Please keep us all posted. Bill

, "berfle624"
wrote:

Holy Smokes JD... and we thought WE had problems. It's a damn

you are being treated for simply requesting fixes to stuff they

& dealer) screwed up in the first place. It's all scary stuff but
the de-lam, Wow... that's a real kicker! With the amount of out-of-
service time you've had already and the likelihood of more on the way, it
may be time to start researching your state's lemon law requirements
before the warranty period is over. Best of luck to you as you slug your
way through all this. There are a fair number of Jayco/Kodiak owners

growing) on this board and we all will be anxious to see how your
situation plays out. Please keep us all posted. Bill

Well, I am a bit calmer now. The thermostat still didn't work the
fan, so I fixed it last night. They had it screwed so tight to the
wall it wouldn't work. First from Jayco, then the dealer ordered a
new one and replaced it and it didn't work either. I put a couple
small washers under the screws and it works now. The original
thermostat probably worked fine, too, if it had been installed

I'm nopt going to tell them I fixed it, I'll probably void the

More importantly, I realized the de-lam is on a hinged wheel well,
so I guess there is a reasonable chance I can just get that part
replaced and don't have to deal with an entire sidewall. I examined the rv
and couldn't find any more spots.....yet.

I put a bigger screw in the light fixture and it will hold, sort of,
for awhile. How much would it cost to put it together right in the
first place? A couple bucks?

Like most states, the Lemon Law in mine doesn't cover an RV, so I
would have to get relief under the federal law, Magnuson-Moss. It
wouldn't be the first time Jayco dealt with that law, based on my
quick research. I really don't need the headache, though. But I am
not ruling it out.

Frankly, part of the problem is us. These manufacturers know they
can get away with this stuff. I bet a lot of people just accept
substandard parts and construction and the rest of us can't seem to
do much about it. I imagine I am not the only one who remembers when
"Made in Japan" was a joke. Then came quality electronics from
Japan and the little econo-boxes from Honda, Toyota, Subaru. Lo and

their cars held up better and longer and their televisions, stereos
and other electronics made ours look like junk. The Japanese cars
eventually almost put the US manufacturers out of business, until
they decided to improve quality, warranties, etc.

I guess the same can't happen to RVs for a number of reasons, (too
bad) but the only excuse for their their poor quality and poor
service is because they can get away with it. I mean, in how many
industries could a dealer look at you with a straight face and say it will
probably take a year and maybe a half dozen or more repair trips to
"resolve all the problems?" None of us would buy such a car or
washing machine or whatever. Could you imagine buying a Toyota and
having Toyota agree that a bumper was crooked but say its just
cosmetic so we don't cover it? I highly doubt it.

If we stopped buying these things due to their low quality, I think
we would see a quick change.

On the bright side, the generator and inverter work great and most
of the dirt and scuffs from the service guys will wash up pretty quick
(Does anyone have a suggestion for getting ink off of leather?)

Well, I'm getting all worked up again, so I will stop now. Later
today I will have a couple stiff drinks and then go operate the
slideout and see if the dinette stays together. First I'll ask my
wife to lock up any possible weapons that I could get to(I'm joking
about that last bit).

I am not doing any suspension upgrades at this point. I guess
something my little boy said a couple months ago may have more merit
than I thought: "Gee, dad, after you get all these things fixed it
will be worth more than when you bought it because it is better

He laughed in my face (well over the phone) and then
expressed considerable annoyance with me. I wonder if he still has a
a job?

Don

I am ordering a Bigfoot 4000 32' as they seem to be way above these >
other manufacturers in quality and service. I
sure hope so.

IMHO if I was looking for a high quality MH on a Kodiak Chassis. I
would be looking at a Pony Express made by Silver Crown. Lot more RV
than what Big Foot has to offer.
http://www.silvercrowncoach.com/motorhome-specs.php

Well spoken!!! And on a positive note. The only reason the industry is
beginning to try to prove to the public that they want to improve

safety is because forums like ours exist!

Denny

After a month at the dealer, they told me the Greyhawk was finally
repaired. A new inverter, a new control board in the generator, a
new thermostat for the fantastic fan, a new door strut, a new switch for
the generator, some other parts and a bunch of labor.

Jayco refused to do anything about the coach door sticking when the
jacks are down or when it gets cold outside, saying it is not a
warranty issue, but the dealer adjusted the door. We'll see. Jayco
refused to authorize any fix to the leveler control box that keeps
falling off, other than screwing it back into the same place it fell
off of. The dealer agreed with me that there was no way it would
hold and put some double stick tape on it. I don't know if that will

it doesn't seem very professional. The dealer said the problem is
that Jayco just screws them into luaun with no backing or other
support, and relies on their light weight to keep them from falling

The dealer did succeed in finding the antenna booster button, but
had to remove the DVD player to get to it, either to find it or switch
it on, I am not sure which. They tried to charge me for doing so, but
relented and wrote off the charge when I argued that simply asking
where the thing was located was not a repair request. They told me
not to try and use the button as it was impossible to reach. I
asked about turning the booster off if I wanted to hook up to cable and
they pretty much said not to do that....so that is that.

Okay, fine. So I look at the tv/dvd cabinet while the repair guy is
standing there. The shelf supporting the dvd had broken loose.
Upon further inspection, the service guy pointed out that the entire side
panel of the cabinet had warped (I guess from sitting in the sun

month at the dealer). Back into the shop it goes. About a half
hout later it comes back out and had been clamped, glued and maybe
stapled back together. The service guy said the whole thing was warping and
that I better keep an eye on it. I asked if they could order the
parts now and I would bring it back in a month when they came in, so
the RV didn't have to sit around at the dealer, but he said that
since it was temporarily fixed now, jayco would not authorize further
repair until it fell apart...I would have to wait until then.

So, I hop in the driver seat and look up at the replaced backup
monitor and see it is barely attached to the ceiling of the cab. I
go and get the service guy again, who shows me how it is attached with
little spring clips that simply hold it in place with pressure. He
fiddled around with it for about 10 minutes and got it positioned
correctly and suggested I avoid touching it too much and keep an eye
on that, too.

Well, I get it back home and guess what? The light fixture over the
dinette has fallen out again. It made it about 65 miles. I look at
it more closely and see the repair consisted of twisting the fixture
about an inch and screwing it into the vinyl again. I called the
dealer and complained and they told me, quite bluntly, that I should
expect things to continue breaking, falling off and failing for the
next year or so, and that I will probably need to get something
fixed after each of the first half dozen or so trips (now, keep in mind
that so far, each repair visit has lasted a month to six weeks). They
said that jayco will not authorize real repairs until minor fixes are
tried and fail, and that they had performed the standard repair for that
kind of thing, which was all jayco would authorize. I think what he
meant was that jayco expects them to stall any real repairs until
the warranty runs out. He also told me that if the dealer notices a
defect, jayco will not authorize a repair, they have to wait and see
if the customer complains.

The dealer says that this is typical of all RVs, regardless of
manufacturer or price, but this is my 4th rv, and my 3rd new one,
and it has been the worst (and the most expensive) so I don't know if I
believe him.

I don't know who is responsible for what, but so far my direct
dealings with jayco haven't been very rewarding, and they have
refused to fix the bumper that is clearly crooked, describing it as a
cosmetic issue not covered by warranty.

So, I walk out of the RV to go into the house. As I walk by the
right rear of the coach, I notice the bubble. Yes, the sidewall is
delaminating. I fear that will be declared to be cosmetic as

have had this thing for 8 months, out of which it has been in for
service for 2.5 months. I have used it once. It obviously now
needs sidewall work, and I have no idea how long that will take; it needs
the dinette light fixture repaired again, the tv cabinet will need
to be replaced; I don't know if the backup monitor will stay in place
and I have no idea what else is about to go wrong. On the plus side,
the new door strut works great and the solar system I installed is
working nicely. I haven't had the nerve to see if they fixed the dinette
correctly or to see if I can open the doors when the levelers are
down. I don't even want to go near the rv, not knowing what else I
will find.

I am so disappointed in this thing. If I thought there was a prayer
of selling it for anywhere close to what I paid it would be on
craigslist in the morning. If I ever get the problems corrected I
will have to keep it forever, as I don't want to go through this

If you are looking at getting an RV and if you read this in time,
please, for the love of G**, don't buy a Jayco.

To those of you who have a jayco and are happy, I envy you, and
please don't attack me for describing my problems. For those who have had
good service from jayco, I only hope I will someday become one of