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Tail pipe hanger

Yahoo Message Number: 182
I rolled under the Jayco this morning to look at a few things in light
of various comments made on RV.net (one being exhaust heat on storage
compartments).

What I did find is that the rear tail pipe hanger was broken. It looks
to me from the amount of rust on it that it was broken very early on
(probably during the trip from the factory to the dealer). Our dealer
has a 6 to 8 week wait for service. We are leaving for FLA for the
winter in less than two weeks. This is not something GM will even
think of fixing since the wheelbase was extended and thus this weld was
don by Jayco's chassis extension contractor.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? Any suggestions for the best
way to make a temporary fix for our trip to FLA and back? I'm thinking
of taking the MH to Jayco in April on the way back from FLA since we
have a half dozen items that need attention and I think they should be
fixed by the people who screwed up in the first place. I guess I can
wire it up but I'm not too sure how effective that will be since it will
still be able to bounce around.

Thanks

Don

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Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 184
Donald A. Leslie wrote:

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What I did find is that the rear tail pipe hanger was broken. It looks
to me from the amount of rust on it that it was broken very early on
(probably during the trip from the factory to the dealer). Our dealer
has a 6 to 8 week wait for service.

Whoa that's quite a wait for service, must be a lot bigger dealer than mine.

On the hangar strap, I can't go out and look at mine since it's across
town at the storage place, but is there anything you can bolt to near
the strap? You could get come of the steel plumbing pipe strap that
Lowes or Home Depot sells to hang sewer lines, etc from joists. It's got
holes every half inch or so. If you can get to a convenient bolt on the
frame you could go from that down to the pipe, around the pipe once or
twice and back up to the bolt.

Not a permanent fix, but one that should handle the heat and stress
until you can get it in.

Take care,
Greg

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Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 185
Greg, exactly what I intended to try. I was sure we had some steel piping strap but DW said "that was at our previous home where you used some" (which means over 9 years ago). I'm going to get some and see if I can bolt it to a hole that is nearby in the frame rail. That might be a permanent solution to another crappy weld - but I'll still have the Jayco factory do its thing.

My dealer has a very good volume and just not enough people. Both our Winnie and Ambassador were in for 3 months in the first year. Just stupid as most of the time was spent just sitting. I discussed this with the owner's son (who is the GM) and he said they get 90% repeat biz so why do they really have to do anything. Well, we went back because we could get the best deal trading the Ambassador with them. Sicard had been a Jayco TT 5er dealer for some time and about 2 years ago or less took on the C Class. They seem to have sold and continue to sell a lot of Jacyo Greyhawks on Ford since the price is so reaonsable. Our Greyhawk on Kodiak is the only one they sold and I went to them and had it ordered for us. They did sell a number of Senecas and I know their service department has been caught in the middle of a GM/Jayco finger pointing exercise. Anytime the chassis is extended GM appears to deny any warranty claim related to the chassis. Thus, this exhaust hanger would not be covered. Since the drive shaft was extended they won't cover it either I understand.

You can still see our trade on their inventory almost 5 months later - so this is the first time we didn't leave any money on the table. Yet, if you guys south of the border saw what I paid for the Jayco you'd flip. If I had traded in the US I'd have paid a lot less but I'd had to have paid sales tax on the full price and that would have made it more expensive. Trading down I got a fairly good dollop of cash and no sales tax at all since it is on the net price paid - and I paid nothing. I'm surprised they still have our 40PLQ since it was a lovely MH and is debugged - and has only 7000 miles on it. It is the only 2006 40PLQ in their Class A inventory - have a look http://www.sicardrv.com It is only page 7 of the Class A inventory (only comes up when you hit page 5 - then 6,7 and 8 show). Click on the photo and you get all the interior shots. I often wondered why we downsized - but we really didn't need a monster like this - but boy was it comfortable to live in.

Sicard is the largest Winnie dealer and HR dealer in Canada (according to them) and in the fall of 06 they outsold all HR dealers in North America by selling 36 HRs (a lot of Vacationer diesels - and if you want to see shoddy junky quality you should have seen these - but they got special factory deal and they went for $110k Cdn - which was less than $100k US at the time - so if someone really wanted a 36 ft DP.......)

If you want to see a GEM, look at their Class B inventory and note the price of the Winnie View. Amazing. Talk about screwing people. The problem is that it is not considered to be made in the US because the Sprinter is made in Germany - so there is a bundle of duty - but NOT anywhere near an amount to take it to a list of $125k. A Canadian at our park in FLA bought one for $65K US - which is now less than $65K Cdn. Strange world we live in.

Don

Greg Gimlick wrote:

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Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 186
Donald A. Leslie wrote:

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piping strap but DW said "that was at our previous home where you used
some" (which means over 9 years ago).

I know that feeling, mine is always reminding me how many years
ago I'm thinking of something.

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a permanent solution to another crappy weld - but I'll still have the
Jayco factory do its thing.

I don't blame you, it's always best to have the factory do it if you can
pin them down. At least then there is no questions about responsibility.

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with the owner's son (who is the GM) and he said they get 90% repeat biz
so why do they really have to do anything.

That sounds like my dealer a bit. They do a lot of repeat and they are a
huge volume Jayco dealer and only sell a couple of other things in the
luxury 5th market, but their service department is terrible. I do what I
can myself because I don't trust the quality of the service. The owner
is great and it's a family business, but his brother in law has no
business being the service manager in my opinion. I have to tread
lightly with what I say because they are great folks and I hate to hurt
feelings, but geez.

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took on the C Class. They seem to have sold and continue to sell a lot
of Jayco Greyhawks on Ford since the price is so reaonsable. Our
Greyhawk on Kodiak is the only one they sold

That's what David (my dealer) told me about his history with the Kodiak.
He almost sounded like he was trying to talk me out of buying it, but
then he didn't want to lose a sale either since our minds were made up.
Hopefully he wasn't trying to tell me something between the lines.

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They did sell a number of Senecas and I know their
service department has been caught in the middle of a GM/Jayco finger
pointing exercise.

Oh great :-( David says they sold a lot more Senecas than they did the
Kodiak version of the Greyhawk. There is quite a price difference though
too.

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You can still see our trade on their inventory almost 5 months later -
so this is the first time we didn't leave any money on the table.

That's a good feeling :-) That is a GORGEOUS coach! I'm not going to
show my wife :-)

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have paid sales tax on the full price and that would have made it more
expensive. Trading down I got a fairly good dollop of cash and no sales
tax at all since it is on the net price paid - and I paid nothing.

That is great that it worked out that way. I went in with nothing other
than a down payment so I paid the sales tax. I was fortunate that NC has
a max sales tax on vehicles of $1500 or I would have taken a much larger
hit than I did. They want to go to regular full sales tax with no cap
and of course the car and RV dealers are fighting it hard. We used to
cap at $300 until a few years ago.

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why we downsized - but we really didn't need a monster like this - but
boy was it comfortable to live in.

That is an incredible unit. My wife would really love that bedroom. That
is the type of coach I'd love to own and just hit the road full time if
we could get beyond this "need" to have a home base. We also have some
responsibilities with my mother in law who lives just down the street
though so we can't run from that.

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America by selling 36 HRs (a lot of Vacationer diesels - and if you
want to see shoddy junky quality you should have seen these

Really? I'm surprised since HR has had such a good rep over the years.

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anywhere near an amount to take it to a list of $125k. A Canadian at
our park in FLA bought one for $65K US - which is now less than $65K
Cdn. Strange world we live in.

I guess, they are made of gold here and I've never seen one even close
to $65K. Too bad we can't go up there with a nice 40% exchange rate like
there was a few years ago.

I've got to crawl under my Greyhawk tomorrow and check out the exhaust
bracket on the generator. It's solid at the back towards the frame, but
the other end is moving so something is loose.

Take care,
Greg

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Yahoo Message Number: 187
Bedroom with the den was an outstanding feature. I just loved it. I had cable with a PVR, telephone with unlimited long distance in North America and high speed internet over cable - all from Brighthouse. Then had a second TV in the bedroom (flat panel) sitting on the rear credenza connected to a satellite dish. Very nice way to spend the winter.

Then, we bought the almost new park model next door so we really don't need that monster as I pointed out. Park model is 500 sq ft and has full house appliances (including dishwasher and washing machine) and 1.5 baths. Shower is corner model with 49 inch sides (talk about lots of room). Also has a walk in closet. So, the Jayco really was a good size compromise for touring and towing the Tahoe and for visitors dropping in on us in Florida, Mind you, the property tax on the lot went up 40% this year so we may only hold it for another year or two as we are allowed to put an addition on the park model to take it up to as much as 1,000 sq ft. .

http://www.charioteagle.com/models2.asp?id=39&cat_id=3 (These are manufactured to HUD standards as well)

Makes us wonder about the 2200 sq ft Condo we had in Sarasota as we find the 500 sq ft not bad at all. :)

BTW, I found a adjustable clamp and I was able to feed it through hole in the frame rail and around the exhaust and tighten. Don't know if it will hold but while putting it on I realized why the welds are breaking. The brackets they use aren't strong enoug or long enough and there is considerable tension on the exhaust pipe since it was pulled up a couple of inches when the bracket was welded to the frame rail. I think the pipe strap will be much better so I'm going to get some and bolt it to the frame rail through this hole and the other end will be held to the exhaust by the clamp this is on their now. Might well be the best alternative and I can keep the stress off of it as well.

Don

Greg Gimlick wrote:

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Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 188
Don ~

I had the same problem on my 2006 Seneca 34SS. The standard bracket is
not strong enough to handle the weight of the tailpipe. Mine broke in
Grand Prairie, Alberta on the way back from Alaska and I was lucky
enough to find a Midas Muffler shop on Saturday morning that installed
two new heavy duty brackets. A hundred dollars and an hour later, I
was back on the road.

Every Seneca owner should upgrade that bracket if Jayco hasn't already
done so since the 2006 model.

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Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 189
Thanks Craig. Did Jayco cover that cost?

Don

Craig Davis wrote:

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Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 190
I was out of the country on a Saturday, and anxious to get back on
the road. It was eassier just to pay and get it done.

, "Donald A. Leslie"
wrote:
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Thanks Craig. Did Jayco cover that cost?

Don

Craig Davis wrote:

Don ~

I had the same problem on my 2006 Seneca 34SS. The standard
bracket is

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not strong enough to handle the weight of the tailpipe. Mine
broke in

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Grand Prairie, Alberta on the way back from Alaska and I was lucky
enough to find a Midas Muffler shop on Saturday morning that
installed two new heavy duty brackets. A hundred dollars and an hour later,
I was back on the road.

Every Seneca owner should upgrade that bracket if Jayco hasn't
already

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Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 191
My horror story with the Jayco Seneca exhaust is this: this summer
while traveling on I-81 north of Harrisburg PA at about two in the
morning, the external exhaust pipe on the driver's side, which
protrudes about five inches out from the side of the coach struck a
rubber construction barrier at about 55 mph. We heard a great
racket, and thought I just had the barrier wrapped up underneath the
frame or something like that. We stopped, and discovered that the
tail pipe had been dragged under the rear wheel, and then managed to
almost wrap itself around the drive shaft, while ripping out two
straps. We limped a tenth of a mile to an exit, and waited till
morning.

When I crawled under the coach to survey the damage, I was startled
by a fellow who joined me underneath, to help survey the damage.
Turned out to be a long-haul trucker who had noticed me pull in
earlier in the night.

We discussed the situation, and decided to hacksaw away about five
feet of twisted aluminum tailpipe, and got back to straight exhaust,
right behind another strap hanger. While the driveshaft was a little
bruised by the tailpipe, it has had no aftereffects as of 3000 miles
and three months later.

I visited my local muffler shop and for $20, he put an downward
extension where we cut if off. We've had no worries about exhaust
coming into the motorhome, or any other worries.

Needless to day, I was very happy that Jayco had taken care to secure
fuel lines, etc etc etc well within the frame of the coach, so even
with the tailpipe flapping around as it did, there was no permanent
damage to the coach.

It's turned out to be a good campfire story- I still think it's a
design flaw, because if I could do it, someone else could.

For what it's worth, the Seneca is our eighth motor home, (since
1988) and probably our last- we've got 16,000 miles on her, and have
not had a single major complaint nor mechanical issue. Miss Bette
drives the coach 80% of the time, and handled the coach like a charm
this summer during 40-60 mph sustained winds for six hours in New
Mexico this summer. Count us as Seneca cheerleaders!

Jim Bob and Miss Bette
06 Seneca 34SS
Greenwood, SC

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Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 192
Craig, did they weld it to the frame or bolt it?

Don

Craig Davis wrote:

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Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 193
I installed two extra exhaust hangers right after purchasing our 05
35GS. Once the exhaust was properly raised, and supported, I cut off
the pipe extension so that it barely extended from the body lines.

I never had a problem, but would drive myself crazy watching the
exhaust pipe when it stuck out so far, and was so low. Was like
driving a different MH when I did get it fixed to my satisfaction.

, "jimbobboy2353"
wrote:
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My horror story with the Jayco Seneca exhaust is this: this
summer while traveling on I-81 north of Harrisburg PA at about two in the
morning, the external exhaust pipe on the driver's side, which
protrudes about five inches out from the side of the coach struck a
rubber construction barrier at about 55 mph. We heard a great
racket, and thought I just had the barrier wrapped up underneath
the frame or something like that. We stopped, and discovered that the
tail pipe had been dragged under the rear wheel, and then managed
to almost wrap itself around the drive shaft, while ripping out two
straps. We limped a tenth of a mile to an exit, and waited till
morning.

When I crawled under the coach to survey the damage, I was startled
by a fellow who joined me underneath, to help survey the damage.
Turned out to be a long-haul trucker who had noticed me pull in
earlier in the night.

We discussed the situation, and decided to hacksaw away about five
feet of twisted aluminum tailpipe, and got back to straight
exhaust,

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right behind another strap hanger. While the driveshaft was a
little bruised by the tailpipe, it has had no aftereffects as of 3000
miles and three months later.

I visited my local muffler shop and for $20, he put an downward
extension where we cut if off. We've had no worries about exhaust
coming into the motorhome, or any other worries.

Needless to day, I was very happy that Jayco had taken care to
secure fuel lines, etc etc etc well within the frame of the coach, so even
with the tailpipe flapping around as it did, there was no permanent
damage to the coach.

It's turned out to be a good campfire story- I still think it's a
design flaw, because if I could do it, someone else could.

For what it's worth, the Seneca is our eighth motor home, (since
1988) and probably our last- we've got 16,000 miles on her, and
have not had a single major complaint nor mechanical issue. Miss Bette
drives the coach 80% of the time, and handled the coach like a
charm

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Yahoo Message Number: 194
Donald A. Leslie wrote:

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Bedroom with the den was an outstanding feature.

I guess it was! I showed my wife and she really thought it was something.

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Then, we bought the almost new park model next door so we really don't
need that monster as I pointed out.

The park I had a leased lot in on the intra coastal here has gone to an
all park model format and we toyed with doing that, but I couldn't swing
that and the motorhome so the wanderlust took over. We used to lease a
lot and after a couple of years we get the itch to travel so we sell and
buy a new trailer. This time with some health issues playing into it we
decided the motorhome was the way to go. We really liked the idea of the
full size appliances, etc in the park models. They feel a lot bigger
than they are. The other side of the coin here is the hurricane
threat.....I never quite got used to the idea of my stuff being smacked
by one in spite of one of our trailers getting hit by 5 of them back in
the 90's.

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Mind you, the property tax on the lot went up 40%
this year so we may only hold it for another year or two

Ouch. I wonder if that's why there are so many lots and places in The
Great Outdoors for sale all of a sudden. We stayed there last Christmas
for a week and really liked it, but there was very little for sale. The
other day I was checking on availability in case we decide to go down
for a week this year and there were tons of lots for sale. The one we
rented last year was for sale, but I can't do anything about it.
Catch-22 for us right now...buy a lot and can't afford to have a
motorhome to go on it or buy the motorhome and can't afford a permanent
site :-) It just seemed funny that there is so much for sale there all
of a sudden and I wondered if something was up.

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allowed to put an addition on the park model to take it up to as much as
1,000 sq ft.

Sounds like a great situation.

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Makes us wonder about the 2200 sq ft Condo we had in Sarasota as we find
the 500 sq ft not bad at all. :)

Funny how that works as we get older :-)

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BTW, I found a adjustable clamp and I was able to feed it through hole
in the frame rail and around the exhaust and tighten.

Great!

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The brackets they use aren't strong enough or long enough and
there is considerable tension on the exhaust pipe since it was pulled up
a couple of inches when the bracket was welded to the frame rail.

Now you've got my curiosity up so I'll be anxious to get over there
tomorrow and crawl around under it a bit. I need to take it to get
inspected and then I need to get a windshield installation arranged.
We're heading up to Williamsburg this weekend so that part may wait til
we get back since it's not affecting anything other than my temper over
it being broken.

Take care,
Greg

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Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 196
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    It is a Jayco issue since almost all of its Kodiak products have a lengthened wheelbase and thus the driveshaft and exhaust have to be lengthened and tail pipe repositioned. I'm not sure the NHTSA would consider this a safety issue though.

    Attached are two samll photos that shows the break in the hanger. I asked my son (an MEng who is in the auto componenets biz in Detroit, does crash testing and a host of things) why this was welded and not bolted. Had it been bolted it would be easy to change. He could not say but from the photo he figured it was metal fatigue and likely happened very early. He said the metal welded to the fram is pretty strong and could probably pick up the entire motorhome. He then gave me this explanation. Take a paper clip and straighten it. Then start bending it back for a bit and soon it will break. But take it at both ends and try to pull it apart - lots of luck doing that with your hands. He said it looked to him from the photo that the tail pipe must have been moving enough to break it like the paper clip example.

    I've sent a note and photos ot Jayco asking for advice. What I'm going to do at this time (I think) is use one of those chain links or fasteners (I call them G links for some reason - I guess because they remind me of the letter G - that have the threaded section on the side that opens and closes them) through the clamp on the muffler and then put a couple of sections of pipe hanger up to the hole in the frame rail above and bolt it. If the pipe hanger is strong enough and holds that might make it better than the original method. Of course the pipe hanger could suffer the same kind of fatigue from movement. An alternative would be to simply use several of the "G links" and somehow bolt the top one to the frame rail.

    Don


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    Yahoo Message Number: 199
    I also had the hangers brake on my 06 Four Winds 33K. The dealer first
    tried to replace with the same type of hangers in the same place. That
    worked for a couple of months. Then they repositioned where they
    mounted to the frame and it was a lot less stress on the pipe. I have
    put a couple of thousand miles on since then with no problems.

    Bryce

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    Reply #15 –
    Yahoo Message Number: 202
    This is the reply I received this morning from Jayco Warranty:

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    Yahoo Message Number: 204
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      And attached photo is the temporary (?) fix that I sent off the Jayco a few minutes ago. Looks pretty strong to me as the links and the eye bolt are fairly good. I may get some loctite for the nuts on the clamp and the nut on eye bolt on the inside of the frame rail.

      Any comments or obvervations?

      Don

      Donald A. Leslie wrote:

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      Reply #18 –
      Yahoo Message Number: 206
      There is movement there and that is what caused the fatigue in the previous hanger. What I took off for the photos was an adjustable clamp (the type with screw and thread) that I put through the other hole in the frame rail right beside the one with the eye bolt. I'm going to put it back on as well as it helps to hold the pipe fairly firm. There is vibration in the exhaust of course. I might add some pipe hanger to this conglomeration instead and the top would go between the eye of the eye bolt and the frame rail and then I have to decide where and how to connect it to the tail pipe.

      I'm now wondering about the 5 inches that the tail pipe extends beyond the body. Hadn't thought of that until it was mentioned here the other day.

      Paul Kemper wrote:

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      Reply #19 –
      Yahoo Message Number: 207
      Turn the eye bolt so the opening is at the top. Less chance of the eye
      bolt opening up and letting pipe drop.
      I was out waxing the MH today. Took a look at my exhaust. It is well
      mounted and clamped. Exhaust sticks out at least 5". But one of the
      reasons for waxing is there is diesel soot all down the side of MH
      past exhaust pipe. Soot is not bad. Just enough to see on the rag when
      washing and waxing. With a gasser I would be concerned about
      shortening exhaust and adding more heat to tires than they already have.
      I have also noticed that GS has the exhaust on the passenger side of
      the Diesel MH's. Jayco diesel exhaust is on drivers side. Which side
      is yours on?

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      Reply #21 –
      Yahoo Message Number: 209
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        Mine is on the driver's side.

        I just assembled those links and eye bolts to see how they bit. Once I hear from Jayco I'll tighten and maybe put some Loctite on. I sent this to a friend (son gets photos this evening) who is an engineer and was with Loctite a few years ago. He said don't worry about the Loctite, those bolts will rust on very quickly. :) I think I might add Loctite anyway. The eye bolt will be set to the top although I might to and get a bigger one yet.

        Don

        ps. We had a extreme soot problem with our Cummins diesel after the first tank of ULSD. It was amazing where we found it too. Some said it was brake dust but that didn't jive. The wheel ring on the exhaust side was full, but the inside dually wasn't touched. Note the amount on the window trim. Never really found what it is. I talked to the GM of Cummins Canada and he wondered if we'd been stuck in traffic next to a dirty truck - but we hadn't.

        See two photos (I wiped out some of the trim ring to show the difference).

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        Reply #22 –
        Yahoo Message Number: 210
        That fix sure looks like it will hold... wouldn't bet that you won't
        get a bunch of noise from the rattling.

        I had a choice of getting Jayco or an exhaust shop to fix my Jayco
        35GS (2005). Before I got it into the exhaust shop (preferred to
        have it repaired by exhaust professional), the GM dealership did the
        repair to exhaust hanger, while in for a recall. Still questioning
        the durability of the fix, I had 2 heavy duty hangers installed and
        cut off the pipe extension.

        I get no rattles, exhaust into motorhome, or any soot on the side...
        that I've noticed.

        But I do like your ingenuity:)

        , "Donald A. Leslie"
        wrote:
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        And attached photo is the temporary (?) fix that I sent off the
        Jayco a

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        few minutes ago. Looks pretty strong to me as the links and the
        eye bolt are fairly good. I may get some loctite for the nuts on the
        clamp and the nut on eye bolt on the inside of the frame rail.

        Any comments or obvervations?

        Don

        Donald A. Leslie wrote:

        This is the reply I received this morning from Jayco Warranty:

        Yes... the replacement of the exhaust hangers is an urgent
        matter;

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        however I hope it will not interrupt your vacation plans. I will
        authorize any local muffler shop willing to make the repair.
        Please have

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        the exhaust fixed and send the signed receipt to me and I will
        issue a

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        reimbursement check. Allow 2 to 3 weeks process time and send
        mailing address where you want the check to go. Sorry for the
        inconvenience and

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        have a safe trip.

        Frankly, I looked at it again today and I'm going to take a crack
        at doing a solid temporary repair myself and I'll send them the
        photo.

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        Going to get the pipe hanger (which I see they use for the
        generator exhaust) and some chain link. I think what I have in mind (if it
        works) will be a bit better as it will not only hold but also
        allow a

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        bit of flex without stressing anything.

        I'll post a photo of my finished product.

        Don

        Bryce McAllister wrote:

        I also had the hangers brake on my 06 Four Winds 33K. The dealer
        first tried to replace with the same type of hangers in the same
        place. That

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        worked for a couple of months. Then they repositioned where they
        mounted to the frame and it was a lot less stress on the pipe. I
        have

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        Reply #23 –
        Yahoo Message Number: 211
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          I actually bought those heavy links (can't recall what they are called) to temporarily solve a problem with my Journey rear dirt guard. Winnie didn't hang them from the back of the motorhomes too well in 2004 and a lot of them started tearing off. I made a temporary fix and then the dealer put another steel bar across the top and made it even stronger than the replacement that was lost in shipping (after we delayed our departure to FLA by a week). It turned up 3 months later. They called us in FLA and said the new one was finally located. We said keep it, the one you fixed is now much stronger.

          So, I simply looked around the basement at the junk I had and suddenly thought the eye bolt and two links would do it. I wish we had more time since my No. 2 son who is an MEng in the auto biz has a pretty complete workshop as he built his own SCCA D Sports Racer (see photo). He has a ton of equipment including a great , drill presses, welding equipment etc. He'd be able to fabricate something much more solid that would not break and that would prevent the tail pipe from moving much at all.

          Don

          ps. Attached is photo of the car he built from the ground up. He has even got an engine - and he start from a block of aluminum. He has had it running but there is a lot of work still to be done including the engine management system. It is 600CC, turbocharged and he expects over 220HP - which will move a 1000 lb car along fairly rapidly.

          pps. Ron, when we at Waterford Hills just north of you ever month from May to Sept, we are helping Gord and watcing him race.

          nchorselover55 wrote:

          Re: Tail pipe hanger

          Reply #24 –
          Yahoo Message Number: 212
          Paul, when I talked to my son tonight and he looked at the photo, he asked about the weight hanging from the eye bolt. He pointed out something that I now see is logical - the week point will be on the eye bolt right at the point where it goes through the frame rail. He said if it is only 20 lbs or so it should be OK. I told him I was going to get a much bigger eye bolt.

          Learned something. For all but one eye bolt from this venor it says "should not be used for angular loads."

          http://www.boltdepot.com/eye-bolts-and-eye-lags.aspx

          I think I'll get a VERY large one so that breaking should not be a problem under that light load - unless I can get one locally for angular loads - which is unlikely.

          Don

          Paul Kemper wrote: