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In a message dated 1/14/2008 8:48:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mfurr@... writes:

Are
they talking about the Kodiak owners manual from Chevy, or something
Jayco gave me in the large box of papers for the MH ?

It would have to be in the Jayco manual. One other thing to ask for
from Jayco would be the "brakeinacurve" certification that NHTSA requires

manufacturer. On models where the wheelbase has not been extended,
the up-fitter can use a "pass-through" certification from the chassis

exception is where the wheelbase has been extended. The certification
became a ruling recently because extending the wheelbase can

four wheel ABS systems required on these vehicles.

Denny

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In my case I slide under and looked at the insert after Rich said
he found it. Also, there isn't a 225 inch w'b in the GM list so we
know the w/b had to be extended. Had it been 213.5 I would not have
been a buyer for our 32SS.

Don

On 14-Jan-08, at 5:40 PM, kemper_mm wrote:

, Dmyhre943@ wrote:

In a message dated 1/14/2008 8:48:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mfurr@ writes:

Are
they talking about the Kodiak owners manual from Chevy, or
something Jayco gave me in the large box of papers for the MH ?

It would have to be in the Jayco manual. One other thing to ask
for from
Jayco would be the "brakeinacurve" certification that NHTSA
requires from the
manufacturer. On models where the wheelbase has not been

the
up-fitter can use a "pass-through" certification from the
chassis manufacturer. An
exception is where the wheelbase has been extended. The
certification
became a ruling recently because extending the wheelbase can
adversely affect the
four wheel ABS systems required on these vehicles.

Denny

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Has anyone affected by this wheelbase issue checked your VIN
specific GM Build Sheet? Wouldn't this indicate the wheelbase of the
chassis when it left the GM plant? If your rig has a longer WB then
obviously it was stretched by someone other than GM and may affect the

For example, I checked our Seneca 34SS Build Sheet and it shows

RPO Code of FXA which indicates a 239" WB which corresponds to

literature for this model.

Obviously, I'm only addressing WB here, chassis extensions are
another

*** TO ALL MEMBERS***

Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics of a
document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe should answer
some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.

I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it can be done.

Thank You,

Trx...

, "trx_racer"

*** TO ALL MEMBERS***

Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics of a
document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe should answer
some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.

I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it can be

What you didn't indicate was that you were referring to the photo

assumed you were referring to an album you have on a photo site

the forum owner didn't realize what you were saying there may be at

forum member who missed it as well.

Don

, "trx_racer"

*** TO ALL MEMBERS***

Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics of a
document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe should answer
some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.

I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it can be

Thank You,

Trx...

, Dmyhre943@ wrote:

In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
agret@ writes:

You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the

with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to replace or
beef up and now not!!!!! Dane

Dane,

First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your problem. All
they
did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer doesn't
have an
interest in your problem either since he has already made the sale,
gotten your
$$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he feels, are
Jayco's problem,
because Jayco built the dang thing.

Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV manufacturer. They
dictate
what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the bill. Our
advantage is
that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt their
sales. The
starting place is to contact Jayco on their website. Jayco's
website appears to
be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND after the
sale.
Send them a note on this link,
_http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php_
(http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and tell them
that you
are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to improve the
quality of the
Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this issue
immediately.
Explain that you will have the support of other owners in getting
the word out
as to the positive nature of their response.

Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.

Denny

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I must be missing something. How does this explain chassis mods

wheelbase or extended frame rails?

Don

, "trx_racer"

*** TO ALL MEMBERS***

Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics of a
document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe should answer
some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.

I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it can be

Thank You,

Trx...

, Dmyhre943@ wrote:

In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
agret@ writes:

You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the

with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to replace or
beef up and now not!!!!! Dane

Dane,

First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your problem. All
they
did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer doesn't
have an
interest in your problem either since he has already made the sale,
gotten your
$$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he feels, are
Jayco's problem,
because Jayco built the dang thing.

Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV manufacturer. They
dictate
what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the bill. Our
advantage is
that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt their
sales. The
starting place is to contact Jayco on their website. Jayco's
website appears to
be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND after the
sale.
Send them a note on this link,
_http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php_
(http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and tell them
that you
are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to improve the
quality of the
Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this issue
immediately.
Explain that you will have the support of other owners in getting
the word out
as to the positive nature of their response.

Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.

Denny

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Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

I don't think this is the same thing (would others please jump in with
views). Your chassis was not, IMO, extended. GS simply bought a
chassis with a longer w/b (239 inches I assume since that is the only
option for MHs above 213.5) rather than buy a shorter one and cut it
into two between the front and rear axle, insert pieces of frame rail,
weld them (and maybe bold them as well), put in a new longer drive
shaft, modify the exhaust etc. (actually, Jayco doesn't do this, I
gather they have another firm do it and I've forgotten its name) In
your case the frame rails would be one piece from the front to beyond
the rear axle (where GS or its subcontractor likely have welded on
extensions to handle the box it put on). I don't think GM does a unit
with frame rails as long as those on your MH. I wish Jayco had done
this since I'd prefer the 239 (wow, what a ratio that would be - .612)
and it would have left the GM warranty on the driveshaft in place.

Don

On 15-Jan-08, at 10:34 PM, trx_racer wrote:

Don,

I took it to mean, that in my case Gulfstream had ordered the chassis
extend from GM. This I would think would help if drive train issues
came up. You should be able to get the same thing from your GM dealer,
then you can see if the wheelbase on your coach was done by GM.

Hope that helps....
Trx

, "Leslie, Don"
wrote:

I must be missing something. How does this explain chassis mods
such as extended
wheelbase or extended frame rails?

Don

, "trx_racer"
wrote:

*** TO ALL MEMBERS***

Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics
of a
document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe should
answer
some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.

I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it can be
done.

Thank You,

Trx...

, Dmyhre943@ wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> agret@ writes:
>
> You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the
dealer but
> with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to replace
or
> beef up and now not!!!!! Dane
>
> Dane,
>
> First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your
problem. All
they
> did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer doesn't
have an
> interest in your problem either since he has already made the
sale,
gotten your
> $$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he feels, are
Jayco's problem,
> because Jayco built the dang thing.
>
> Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV manufacturer.
They
dictate
> what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the bill. Our
advantage is
> that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt their
sales. The
> starting place is to contact Jayco on their website. Jayco's
website appears to
> be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND after
the
sale.
> Send them a note on this link,
_http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php_
> (http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and tell
them
that you
> are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to improve the
quality of the
> Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this issue
immediately.
> Explain that you will have the support of other owners in
getting
the word out
> as to the positive nature of their response.
>
> Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.
>
> Denny
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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>
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>

, Don Leslie
wrote:

I don't think this is the same thing (would others please jump in
with views). Your chassis was not, IMO, extended. GS simply bought a
chassis with a longer w/b (239 inches I assume since that is the
only option for MHs above 213.5) rather than buy a shorter one and cut it
into two between the front and rear axle, insert pieces of frame

weld them (and maybe bold them as well), put in a new longer drive
shaft, modify the exhaust etc. (actually, Jayco doesn't do this, I
gather they have another firm do it and I've forgotten its name)
In your case the frame rails would be one piece from the front to
beyond the rear axle (where GS or its subcontractor likely have welded on
extensions to handle the box it put on). I don't think GM does a
unit with frame rails as long as those on your MH. I wish Jayco had
done this since I'd prefer the 239 (wow, what a ratio that would be -

and it would have left the GM warranty on the driveshaft in place.

Don

On 15-Jan-08, at 10:34 PM, trx_racer wrote:

Don,

I took it to mean, that in my case Gulfstream had ordered the
chassis extend from GM. This I would think would help if drive train issues
came up. You should be able to get the same thing from your GM

then you can see if the wheelbase on your coach was done by GM.

Hope that helps....
Trx

, "Leslie, Don"
wrote:

I must be missing something. How does this explain chassis mods
such as extended
wheelbase or extended frame rails?

Don

, "trx_racer"
 wrote:
>
> *** TO ALL MEMBERS***
>
> Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of pics
of a
> document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe
should answer
> some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.
>
> I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it

done.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Trx...
>
>
>
>
> , Dmyhre943@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard

> > agret@ writes:
> >
> > You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the
dealer but
> > with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to
replace or
> > beef up and now not!!!!! Dane
> >
> > Dane,
> >
> > First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your
problem. All
> they
> > did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer

> have an
> > interest in your problem either since he has already made
the sale,
> gotten your
> > $$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he feels, are
> Jayco's problem,
> > because Jayco built the dang thing.
> >
> > Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV

They
> dictate
> > what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the bill. Our
> advantage is
> > that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt their
> sales. The
> > starting place is to contact Jayco on their website. Jayco's
> website appears to
> > be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND
after the
> sale.
> > Send them a note on this link,
> _http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php_
> > (http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and tell
them
> that you
> > are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to improve the
> quality of the
> > Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this issue
> immediately.
> > Explain that you will have the support of other owners in
getting
> the word out
> > as to the positive nature of their response.
> >
> > Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.
> >
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
shape.
>
> >

Trx,

I know the exact wheel base for my rig - when it left GM and when it
left Jayco. When it left GM it was 213.5. When it left Jayco it was
225. When I get underneath I can clearly see the overlapping frame
rail that was inserted after they cut. It extended the w/b by 11.5
inches. Then, as I slide to the back I find another extension of the
frame rails to handle the length of the MH built on it. I fail to see
what I'd get from the build order that I can't get from my eyes?
BTW, you don't see a frame extension behind the rear axle on your
order but my guess is that you may have a very such an extension.
Note that your build order only refers to w/b and provides no
indication of frame length. If you crawl underneath my guess is that
you may find an extension of one to 2 ft, if not a bit more (is your
MH 35 feet long?).

Keep in mind that the issue here is the warranty. If GM says "that
particular item isn't covered by us then it has to be covered by
either Jayco or the chassis extender. If the both deny liability
during the first two years if I had a problem with the extensions or
the drive train, then I'd look at taking them to court.

My understanding from something posted on RV.net a while back is that
Ford lays out specs for extensions and if the standard is met Ford
covers the chassis and engine. As you can see in the material Denny
posted, GM just washes its hands of the warranty.

What annoys me more than this is that the same basic engine (well, the
higher HP version yet) is used by Workhorse Chassis Corp in its A
gassers and it has put the 5 year warranty on the engine stating it
did so when GM increased the warranty. I find it unfair that we are
restricted to two years when a less stressed version is used in a much
lighter MH.

D

On 16-Jan-08, at 1:29 AM, trx_racer wrote:

So, Paul

I guess that means we are related...lol

I still believe Don will find the exact W/B for his rig if he was to
get a "build sheet" from a GM dealer. If he did get a copy of the
"B/S", he would have a stronger argument with or against Jayco.

Trx....

, "kemper_mm"
wrote:

, Don Leslie
wrote:

I don't think this is the same thing (would others please jump in
with
views). Your chassis was not, IMO, extended. GS simply bought a
chassis with a longer w/b (239 inches I assume since that is the
only
option for MHs above 213.5) rather than buy a shorter one and
cut it
into two between the front and rear axle, insert pieces of frame
rail,
weld them (and maybe bold them as well), put in a new longer drive
shaft, modify the exhaust etc. (actually, Jayco doesn't do this, I
gather they have another firm do it and I've forgotten its name)
In
your case the frame rails would be one piece from the front to
beyond
the rear axle (where GS or its subcontractor likely have welded on
extensions to handle the box it put on). I don't think GM does a
unit
with frame rails as long as those on your MH. I wish Jayco had
done
this since I'd prefer the 239 (wow, what a ratio that would be -
.612)
and it would have left the GM warranty on the driveshaft in place.

Don

On 15-Jan-08, at 10:34 PM, trx_racer wrote:

> Don,
>
> I took it to mean, that in my case Gulfstream had ordered the
chassis
> extend from GM. This I would think would help if drive train
issues
> came up. You should be able to get the same thing from your GM
dealer,
> then you can see if the wheelbase on your coach was done by GM.
>
> Hope that helps....
> Trx
>
> , "Leslie, Don"
> wrote:
> >
> > I must be missing something. How does this explain chassis
mods
> such as extended
> > wheelbase or extended frame rails?
> >
> > Don
> >
> > , "trx_racer"

> wrote:
> > >
> > > *** TO ALL MEMBERS***
> > >
> > > Please take a look at my album, I have posted a couple of
pics
> of a
> > > document I asked my dealer to get for me. This i believe
should
> answer
> > > some, maybe all questions regard modded chassis.
> > >
> > > I would have posted pics here, but don't know how or if it
can be
> done.
> > >
> > > Thank You,
> > >
> > > Trx...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > , Dmyhre943@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard
Time,
> > > > agret@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the
> dealer but
> > > > with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to
replace
> or
> > > > beef up and now not!!!!! Dane
> > > >
> > > > Dane,
> > > >
> > > > First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your
> problem. All
> > > they
> > > > did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer
doesn't
> > > have an
> > > > interest in your problem either since he has already made
the
> sale,
> > > gotten your
> > > > $$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he
feels, are
> > > Jayco's problem,
> > > > because Jayco built the dang thing.
> > > >
> > > > Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV
manufacturer.
> They
> > > dictate
> > > > what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the
bill. Our
> > > advantage is
> > > > that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt
their
> > > sales. The
> > > > starting place is to contact Jayco on their website.
Jayco's
> > > website appears to
> > > > be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND
after
> the
> > > sale.
> > > > Send them a note on this link,
> > > _http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php_
> > > > (http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and
tell
> them
> > > that you
> > > > are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to
improve the
> > > quality of the
> > > > Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this
issue
> > > immediately.
> > > > Explain that you will have the support of other owners in
> getting
> > > the word out
> > > > as to the positive nature of their response.
> > > >
> > > > Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.
> > > >
> > > > Denny
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

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stay in
> shape.
> > >
> > > >
>
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> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Trx,

Don is correct, Gulfstream bought your chassis with the 239" WB
right
from the GM factory. Your Build Sheet shows the same WB code of XFA
(239")as ours does (see my post of 1/14/08). Intrestingly, your
Build
Sheet shows that your chassis was built the day before ours was
built.
Between RPO codes and vin specific Build Sheets we can learn a lot
about our chassis.

Paul

You can go to www.dieselplace.com and request a free VIN & Build
Sheet. Just scroll down to the section titled "Official GM
Information" and then check "VIN Check Requests". This service
requires regerstering with The Diesel Place and a few day wait to
receive your data.

kemper_mm wrote:

You can go to www.dieselplace. com and request a free VIN & Build
Sheet. Just scroll down to the section titled "Official GM
Information" and then check "VIN Check Requests". This service
requires regerstering with The Diesel Place and a few day wait to
receive your data.

Does this require you have a diesel coach or will they do one for the
gas powered 32SS guys too?

Take care,
Greg

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Mike - I've had the specs since last March and have sent them to a
few people on the forum on request. I just realized that I should
post them to the files section. Anyone that would like the document
can get it at:

I've also posted the GM Media release dated Aug 1/2006 that
describes the enhancements for 2007 and the UltraRide Air Suspension brochure.

I sure wish that Jayco had simply used the 239 WB rather than

I agree the welds and overlapping of the frame rail inserts look
pretty good but the GM warranty problem is real. My dealer has
been caught in the middle of this problem as well.

With a 2 year warranty, IMO anything GM won't cover Jayco had
better cover.

I'm still PO'd that GM did not put the 5 year power train warranty
on that Workhorse added after GM put it on all but medium duty trucks.

Don

On 13-Jan-08, at 10:44 PM, smokie39157 wrote:

Don, I know you and several other people have commented about the
frame extensions done by some manufacturers including Jayco. It

fact that on my 07 Jayco Kodiak Greyhawk 32SS, the front frame has
been spliced and 12 inches added to the wheelbase. Also in the

behind the axle (end of original frame) they have added a 24 inch
extension. Now, it appears to me that they did a good job of
splicing all of this and reinforced it with good size plates and
welds.

The INTERNET site that has all of the order information for the 07
medium duty trucks has been down for the last couple of days so I
can't verify everything at this time. However, the best I remember
is that they showed a wheelbase of 213.5 as one option and this is
what Jayco used for the 32SS. Jayco then added the 12 inches to
make the wheelbase 225 inches. Now, this also means they had to extend
the drive train (drive shaft) a foot also. So, did Jayco (and
others) modify this or buy it from another source, or is it all
genuine GM parts. Maybe this is why GM will not honor the drive
train warranty.

All of this is assuming that GM really does refuse to honor the
warranty if it is needed. I cannot believe that a company would
sell a product with no drive train warranty without "plainly" making
the buyer aware of it. Does anybody know for a fact that GM will not
honor the warranty? I do not see how Jayco could get away with
this. Anyway, does anybody have anything new to add to this saga?

I just checked and the site is back up. The next size up in
wheelbase is 239 inches. I suppose that is why Jayco added to the
213.5 to get 225 instead of going to the 239. This is the link:

http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/mediumduty/proddesc.jsp?

n=0&page=1

It has some very good info. You can look at standard equipment and
options via the menu on the left side. You can check all of your
RPO

In a message dated 1/15/2008 1:31:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
agret@... writes:

You may be right but I am fighting today not only with the dealer
but with GM and Jayco on the springs as they had agreed to replace or
beef up and now not!!!!! Dane

Dane,

First of all, GM isn't going to do anything about your problem.

did was to sell the cab/chassis to Jayco. And the dealer doesn't

interest in your problem either since he has already made the sale,

$$$, and truthfully, any issues with the coach, he feels, are

because Jayco built the dang thing.

Your only recourse, IMHO, is to go after the RV manufacturer.

what needs to be done, and ultimately, will pay the bill. Our

that they know we are here, in numbers, to help or hurt their

starting place is to contact Jayco on their website. Jayco's

be oriented toward the customer, as they say, before AND after the

Send them a note on this link,

(http://www.jayco.com/php/about/contact.form.php) , and tell them

are a member of an RV group of owners dedicated to improve the

Jayco product, and ask for their help in resolving this issue

Explain that you will have the support of other owners in getting

as to the positive nature of their response.

Keep us in the loop on how Jayco responds.

Denny

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